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		<title>By: Tal Benschar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tal Benschar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 03:23:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all, I think the standard is harder than your original post suggests.  Pleading motive is not enough -- everyone has motive to ask the Trademark Office for more than they deserve. I think that you are going to see quite a few 9(b) type motions in inter partes proceedings.

Second, in my opinion the Medinol standard is better in terms of policy, although I agree in terms of statutory interpretation it was wrong (as Bose indeed held).

A party applies for a trademark.  It is supposed to certify that it is using the mark for the specified goods/services.  The Applicant is in a better position than anyone to know for what goods and services it is or is not using the mark.  Is it too much to ask for just a bit of due diligence -- about one&#039;s own business!?!  

In Medinol, the Applicant applied and got a mark for two listed goods.  IT NEVER USED THE MARK FOR ONE OF THEM. NEVER.  NEVER EVER.  

What&#039;s the penalty for that after Bose?  Nothing.  The PTO just narrows the registration to exclude those goods you never should have gotten in the first place.  You still get to keep the rest of the registration, unless someone bears the now very heavy burden of proving fraud.  

The PTO relies on the certification of the Applicant to hand out registrations -- which are valuable in terms of exclusive rights.  If you ask the govt. for something valuable, at least take a reasonable stab at making sure that the representations that entitle you to that benefit are true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all, I think the standard is harder than your original post suggests.  Pleading motive is not enough &#8212; everyone has motive to ask the Trademark Office for more than they deserve. I think that you are going to see quite a few 9(b) type motions in inter partes proceedings.</p>
<p>Second, in my opinion the Medinol standard is better in terms of policy, although I agree in terms of statutory interpretation it was wrong (as Bose indeed held).</p>
<p>A party applies for a trademark.  It is supposed to certify that it is using the mark for the specified goods/services.  The Applicant is in a better position than anyone to know for what goods and services it is or is not using the mark.  Is it too much to ask for just a bit of due diligence &#8212; about one&#8217;s own business!?!  </p>
<p>In Medinol, the Applicant applied and got a mark for two listed goods.  IT NEVER USED THE MARK FOR ONE OF THEM. NEVER.  NEVER EVER.  </p>
<p>What&#8217;s the penalty for that after Bose?  Nothing.  The PTO just narrows the registration to exclude those goods you never should have gotten in the first place.  You still get to keep the rest of the registration, unless someone bears the now very heavy burden of proving fraud.  </p>
<p>The PTO relies on the certification of the Applicant to hand out registrations &#8212; which are valuable in terms of exclusive rights.  If you ask the govt. for something valuable, at least take a reasonable stab at making sure that the representations that entitle you to that benefit are true.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Coleman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Coleman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 17:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But of course John is correct.  He is always correct!  So am I; you are echoing what I said -- you need merely allege a factual basis from which intent may reasonably be inferred.

My point is, so what?  Who said it has to be easy?  And why should it be?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But of course John is correct.  He is always correct!  So am I; you are echoing what I said &#8212; you need merely allege a factual basis from which intent may reasonably be inferred.</p>
<p>My point is, so what?  Who said it has to be easy?  And why should it be?</p>
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		<title>By: Tal Benschar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tal Benschar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 19:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The matter is not so simple.  (As it happens we are publishing an article on the NYLJ on the topic.  The thoughts below are from that article.)

Rule 9(b) of the Federal Rules governs allegations of fraud: “In alleging fraud or mistake, a party must state with particularity the circumstances constituting fraud or mistake. Malice, intent, knowledge, and other conditions of a person&#039;s mind may be alleged generally.”  Although the second sentence of that rule appears to state that there is no need to make particularized allegations as to state of mind when making a claim of fraud, the majority of Circuits have not taken that approach.  Rather, they require a party alleging fraud to make specific factual allegations which permit an inference of fraudulent intent.  (Acc. to Moore&#039;s Federal Practice, the 2d, 3d and 7th Circuits take this approach.  Only the 9th reads the rule in its simple meaning, i.e. no particularity requirement for intent.)

The Federal Circuit – whose rulings control in the PTO –is among the majority of Circuits that take that position.  See Exegen Corp. v. Wal-Mart Stores, Inc., 575 F.3d 1312 (2009), a patent case involving a charge of &quot;inequitable conduct,&quot;  which the CAFC construes as the equivalent of fraud on the Patent Office and hence applies Rule 9(b).  In fact, the Exegen ruling relied in part on trademark precedent from the Court of Customs and Patent Appeals (the Federal Circuit’s predecessor) which dealt with cancellation of trademark registrations for fraud.  

Under Exegen, a party must plead “sufficient underlying facts from which a court may reasonably infer that a party acted with the requisite state of mind.”  Id., 575 F.3d at 1328.  At the pleading stage, these specific facts must lead to a “reasonable inference”  of fraudulent intent.  “A reasonable inference is one that is plausible and that flows logically from the facts alleged, including any objective indications of candor and good faith.”  Id.  n. 5.

So I am afraid that Welch is correct.  The particularity requirement is not merely for the circumstances of the fraud (which, as you rightly point out, are fairly easy to set forth in a trademark case) but also for intent -- not very easy, especially before discovery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The matter is not so simple.  (As it happens we are publishing an article on the NYLJ on the topic.  The thoughts below are from that article.)</p>
<p>Rule 9(b) of the Federal Rules governs allegations of fraud: “In alleging fraud or mistake, a party must state with particularity the circumstances constituting fraud or mistake. Malice, intent, knowledge, and other conditions of a person&#8217;s mind may be alleged generally.”  Although the second sentence of that rule appears to state that there is no need to make particularized allegations as to state of mind when making a claim of fraud, the majority of Circuits have not taken that approach.  Rather, they require a party alleging fraud to make specific factual allegations which permit an inference of fraudulent intent.  (Acc. to Moore&#8217;s Federal Practice, the 2d, 3d and 7th Circuits take this approach.  Only the 9th reads the rule in its simple meaning, i.e. no particularity requirement for intent.)</p>
<p>The Federal Circuit – whose rulings control in the PTO –is among the majority of Circuits that take that position.  See Exegen Corp. v. Wal-Mart Stores, Inc., 575 F.3d 1312 (2009), a patent case involving a charge of &#8220;inequitable conduct,&#8221;  which the CAFC construes as the equivalent of fraud on the Patent Office and hence applies Rule 9(b).  In fact, the Exegen ruling relied in part on trademark precedent from the Court of Customs and Patent Appeals (the Federal Circuit’s predecessor) which dealt with cancellation of trademark registrations for fraud.  </p>
<p>Under Exegen, a party must plead “sufficient underlying facts from which a court may reasonably infer that a party acted with the requisite state of mind.”  Id., 575 F.3d at 1328.  At the pleading stage, these specific facts must lead to a “reasonable inference”  of fraudulent intent.  “A reasonable inference is one that is plausible and that flows logically from the facts alleged, including any objective indications of candor and good faith.”  Id.  n. 5.</p>
<p>So I am afraid that Welch is correct.  The particularity requirement is not merely for the circumstances of the fraud (which, as you rightly point out, are fairly easy to set forth in a trademark case) but also for intent &#8212; not very easy, especially before discovery.</p>
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		<title>By: John L. Welch</title>
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		<dc:creator>John L. Welch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 09:48:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael: I agree with you that there are situations in which a fraud claim may be won on summary judgment. But not a Medinol-type case, where the fraud claim is based on non-use of the subject mark for one item in the identification of goods.

One final (?) comment. Contrary to Ron&#039;s assertion, I have never been a proponent of the Board&#039;s adoption of fraud as the cure for the Medinol-type case. As I have said many times, I think the Board got off on the wrong track when it took the fraud approach to this problem. What has been, and remains, my concern is how to ensure that the verification of use is truthful. I have suggested that the PTO concentrate on the front end of the process, perhaps by requiring a specimen of use for each item listed in the application or declaration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael: I agree with you that there are situations in which a fraud claim may be won on summary judgment. But not a Medinol-type case, where the fraud claim is based on non-use of the subject mark for one item in the identification of goods.</p>
<p>One final (?) comment. Contrary to Ron&#8217;s assertion, I have never been a proponent of the Board&#8217;s adoption of fraud as the cure for the Medinol-type case. As I have said many times, I think the Board got off on the wrong track when it took the fraud approach to this problem. What has been, and remains, my concern is how to ensure that the verification of use is truthful. I have suggested that the PTO concentrate on the front end of the process, perhaps by requiring a specimen of use for each item listed in the application or declaration.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael FEigin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael FEigin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 02:35:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even if the party pleasing fraud has first hand knowledge, it&#039;s difficult to prove someone else&#039;s intent.  In any case, I think it&#039;s a move in the right direction... but I also still think there are cases where fraud can be shown at the time of summary judgment, e.g. prove a Specimen submitted was made in Photoshop and not a real product.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even if the party pleasing fraud has first hand knowledge, it&#8217;s difficult to prove someone else&#8217;s intent.  In any case, I think it&#8217;s a move in the right direction&#8230; but I also still think there are cases where fraud can be shown at the time of summary judgment, e.g. prove a Specimen submitted was made in Photoshop and not a real product.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Coleman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Coleman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 01:30:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No more than inferentially, John -- as I explain in the post.  It is of course never possible to plead a third person&#039;s state of mind on anything more than information and belief.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No more than inferentially, John &#8212; as I explain in the post.  It is of course never possible to plead a third person&#8217;s state of mind on anything more than information and belief.</p>
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		<title>By: John L. Welch</title>
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		<dc:creator>John L. Welch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 10:49:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In addition, &quot;state of mind&quot; is an element of fraud and surely must be pleaded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In addition, &#8220;state of mind&#8221; is an element of fraud and surely must be pleaded.</p>
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		<title>By: John L. Welch</title>
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		<dc:creator>John L. Welch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 10:47:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the common law fraud case, the party pleading fraud is also the victim, and so had first-hand knowledge of the facts constituting and surrounding the fraud. At the TTAB the party pleading fraud will likely not have first-hand knowledge of the facts, and therefore it seems to me that meeting the heightened pleading requirements for fraud may be more difficult at the TTAB, unless the TTAB allows some leeway in pleading under the circumstances.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the common law fraud case, the party pleading fraud is also the victim, and so had first-hand knowledge of the facts constituting and surrounding the fraud. At the TTAB the party pleading fraud will likely not have first-hand knowledge of the facts, and therefore it seems to me that meeting the heightened pleading requirements for fraud may be more difficult at the TTAB, unless the TTAB allows some leeway in pleading under the circumstances.</p>
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		<title>By: DuetsBlog Authors</title>
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		<dc:creator>DuetsBlog Authors</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 18:53:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;RT @RonColeman: Thoughts on @TTABlog&#039;s thoughts on post-Bose PTO fraud -- http://bit.ly/152Ibq&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">RT @RonColeman: Thoughts on @TTABlog&#39;s thoughts on post-Bose PTO fraud &#8212; <a href="http://bit.ly/152Ibq" onclick="return TrackClick('http%3A%2F%2Fbit.ly%2F152Ibq','http%3A%2F%2Fbit.ly%2F152Ibq')" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/152Ibq</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Ron Coleman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Coleman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 18:06:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;Thoughts on @TTABlog&#039;s thoughts on post-Bose PTO fraud -- http://bit.ly/152Ibq  LIKELIHOOD OF CONFUSION®&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">Thoughts on @TTABlog&#39;s thoughts on post-Bose PTO fraud &#8212; <a href="http://bit.ly/152Ibq" onclick="return TrackClick('http%3A%2F%2Fbit.ly%2F152Ibq','http%3A%2F%2Fbit.ly%2F152Ibq')" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/152Ibq</a>  LIKELIHOOD OF CONFUSION®</span></span></span></p>
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